Will "noise" ever be accepted as part of an image as grain was in the

Question: Will "noise" ever be accepted as part of an image as grain was in the film world!?
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cool question!.!.!.!. :D
to me, photography, just as visual arts, is about emotions!.!.!. if noise add something to the capture and is part of the emotion, the felling then yes, as an artistic contributor, it will be as important as the grain!!!!Www@QuestionHome@Com

It'll Be Accepted
Because There's Nothing You
Can Do About It
That's The Result Of Using
High ISO Numbers!.!.

when most digital camera use high ISO's around eight hundred and above, the grain will become very evident, and will make the picture look like plaque on teeth!. In my opinion, i'd rather use a slower exposure versus using a high ISO because at least the image wouldn't be fuzzy, which i don't find desirable at all in photography!.

However, grain becomes less evident on more professional cameras, like the Nikon D300 And D3, they have high ISO ranges, and the noise is much less dramatic, but you'll have to pay around two thousand dollars for those features!.

however, noise is a daily part of digital photography, and sometimes it's not avoidable, and you must you a higher ISO rating, but hey, in the long run!.!.

Which Is Better!.!.!?
a blurry Image!?
or a fuzzy image!?

so, in other words, in low light conditions, we as amateur/pro!. photographers MUST use high ratings in low light, there's no other choice, unless we don't want recognizable images at all!. It's like screwed if you do, screwed if you don't!.

noise isn't an attractive aspect of photography, but sometimes you have no other choice!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

Grain in film photography was sometimes an important part of the look of the photograph, adding an overall texture!. Digital noise tends to be more obtrusive because its texture is less uniform, but its already being used by photographers for whom the limitations of the medium are part of the message!. It's also used as a visual trope to suggest a picture taken under extreme conditions or with minimal equipment!. So I would say it's already accepted, though more as a narrative element than an aesthetic characteristic!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

Probably not!.
Rather the digital camera will improve enough, though leaps in technology, to eliminate much of the noise associated with 400 ISOs and above (sometimes 200 ISOs and above)!.

Digital shots are not as treasured as film!. It's instant gratification and you can eliminate the shot you don't like in a flick of the finger!. Not to mention that noise is annoying!.

As mentioned by Pooky, digital evolves every year!.
And eventually many of the features offered by high end digital cameras will enter the casual user market!. Just as it was done with film!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

Great question!.!.!. I have no idea but my guess is that it will become more normal again as people really start to push their kit and to find 'new' effects for areas like fashion (where from time to time all the rules seem to fly out the window)!.

Everything somehow seems to run in cycles especially in fashion, but I suspect that the imposition of film grain will also play a part as opposed to strictly digital noise!.

We'll see eh Perki!Www@QuestionHome@Com

I am far over on the abstract side of things as some here know, and dont like!. But I think that anything used in such a way that convey a message, even noise or other flaws can be!.!.!. for lack of a better word, good!. So I think yes, sometimes noise can be a part of the picture, add something to the picture, and be considered good!.

But beyond that!.!.!.
With the type of price gap between cameras that can do more with low noise and those that cant!.!.!.!. I think noise is becomming somewhat acceptable/ok in snap shots!. I think it would be a while for the mainstream professional side of photography sees it as anything more than a horrible flaw of incorrect shooting!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

Grain as an aesthetic I think is something that is not going to die so long as Sebastio Salgado, Daido Moriyama and Eikoh Hosoe photographs adorn the walls of art museums across the world!. These images with their warm dappled textures I am sure will still inspire future generations of photographers in the future!.
As for the idea of noise being accepted in the same way that it was in the film world, I would argue that in the fine art world it has already been accepted!.
I thought that with digital photographies low signal to noise levels this would somehow create a new aesthetic and standard but you have to understand human pyschology!. It seems for every revolution there is a counter revolution!. As much as people have been won over by digital image making what about all the recent interest in cheap plastic cameras like Holgas, Diana Cameras and other toy cameras!? In addition look at all the people on APUG and alternativephotography!.com!. Artists accept imperfections as part of the image making process as a sort of a combined signature and artifact of the human hand!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

While it may not be liked, it has to be accepted in some ways!. With technology in film, grain went down and is still being reduced but it is at somewhat of a stand still because of the physical quality's of the material used!.!.!. The manufacture of the crystals is at stake here!. They HAVE to be at a size large enuf to capture light at a reasonable speed to make film practical!. If too small, the film becomes VERY sharp, but very slow too!. Some films had virtually NO grain, even at large blow ups (16x20 +) for 35mm but had a speed of!.!.!. 10 or less!.!. Two very good films were Panatomic X, a BW film and Kodachrome 25, both had a speed of 25 and were about as grain-less as one could get!.!.!. Gone, but not forgotten!.!.

Just like computer CPU, we seem to have hit a brick wall on speed and to now get past the speed barrier we have duel core, quad core and quad 4 duo CPU's stacking up on us to give the computer more power and speed!.!.!. It seems, for the moment, 3Ghz +/- is about the max speed!.!.!. for home use and in areas of afford-ability!.!.

CCD and CMOS chips are another area where technology is at play but here the brick wall hasn't been hit as much, yet!.!. New manufacturing techniques are being tested for as much noise free service as can possibly be built and maybe even built in electronic chip cooling seen down the road someday in consumer - prosumer - digital cameras!. With new speeds reaching 10,000 to 25 ISO in some new cameras, noise WILL be with us but it is being reduced more and more every day!. A too aggressive approach in the camera will only reduce image quality, especially in a JPG!.

It is strange how many want less and less noise, grain, old film look (even scratched movie film look in video processing)but yet these conditions can be had by boo coo special EFX 'plug-ins' found in many image editing programs!. So, all in all !.!. noise HAS to be accepted till technology puts us past that or image editing programs with noise removal can tell the difference and do not degrade our image as they - clean up the image - and take good pixels with the bad!.!.!.

As in the film daze, use the grain to your advantage in your creative and Artsi Fartsi shots and be not afraid of it!. Find the best (fastest!.!.!?) setting your camera can do with the least amount of noise, and work backwards from there for your "better shots"!.!. But, make grain your friend!.!.!. it's here to stay for a while!.!.!.

Bob - TucsonWww@QuestionHome@Com

I remembered using 3M T640 film for stage photos and it was grainy--and yet, it was the fastest thing available!. Now I am thankful I can click a switch and go to ISO 3,200 with minimal noise!.

http://www!.flickr!.com/photos/little_pook!.!.!.

http://www!.flickr!.com/photos/little_pook!.!.!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

Lord if it ever does everyone who cares about good photography might as well find another passion!.

Cell phone cameras and goofy point and shoot snapshots and horrid "editing" has already killed much of the art of photography!.

Lets hope wretched digital noise does not also become accepted as the norm!.

steveWww@QuestionHome@Com

I think it can be used creatively but wouldn't want to see it over used!. Grain had its place in traditional photography though I know many studio pro's deplored its use!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

Probably not!. They see it as an obstructionWww@QuestionHome@Com