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I was researching some family history online and my Great-Grandmother's name was Anna Marie Flowers!.!.!. Her maiden name I thought was Kelly!. But I found a record from her infant son who was stillborn that had her maiden name listed as Shaffer!. This does make sense because my Dad has a obituary clipping from a newspaper of somebody named Shaffer from that side of the family at his house!. But I never knew her parents names!.!.!. So I don't know if there is a way to find out her parent's names!? I don't know if her real birth name was Anna Marie Shaffer or Anna Marie Kelly!. How am I supposed to know!. All these years I was thinking I had Irish roots, now I have German roots!?Www@QuestionHome@Com


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I found some data, which is inconclusive!.

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1930 Census, Portsmouth, Scioto, Ohio; Roll: 1868; Page: 12B; Enumeration District: 36; Image: 314!.0!.

Household 260
Flowers, Arthur, head, 48, 22 at first marriage, Ohio, Ohio, laster at shoe factory
----, Caldwell, wife, 46, 20@fm, Ohio, Ky, Ohio
----, Arthur C!., son, 22, 19@fm, Oh, Oh, Oh, meter reader, industry illegible, might be "public utility"
----, Katherine, dau-in-law, 19, 16@fm, Oh, Oh, Oh
----, Arthur D!., grandson, 2 and !?12ths, Oh, Oh, Oh

HH 261
Flowers, Frank, head, 57, 25@fm, Oh, Oh, Oh, foreman at shoe factory
----, Anna M!., wife, 49, 22@fm, Oh, Oh, Oh
----, Dorothy, dau, 19, Oh, Oh, Oh, stenographer at steel plant
----, Richard, son, 12, Oh, Oh, Oh
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I'd bet 3:1 that Arthur andn Frank were brothers!.

We see that Anna was born about 1880 and married about 1902

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1920 Census: Portsmouth Ward 4, Scioto, Ohio; Roll: T625_1433; Page: 6A; Enumeration District: 152; Image: 259!.

HH 134 & 135:

Arthur Flowers, 38
Rose Flowers, 37
Clarence Flowers, 14
Arthur Flowers, 12

Frank Flowers, 41
Anna Flowers, 38
Howard E Flowers, 18
Harold F Flowers, 15
Dorothy Louise Flowers, 9
Richard W Flowers, 2 6/12

I suspect "Caldwell" is a maiden name for Arthur's Rose!.
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1910 Census: Portsmouth Ward 4, Scioto, Ohio; Roll: T624_1228; Page: 8A; Enumeration District: 153; Image: 380!.

Frank Flowers, 33, Head
Anna Flowers, 29, wife,
Howard Flowers, 5, son
Harold Flowers, 5, son
Floyd Scaffer, 18, boarder, Oh, Oh, Oh
Clara Scaffer, 22, boarder, Oh, Oh, Oh

Under "years of current marriage", Frank has 6, Anna has 2!. That doesn't make sense unless the enumerator filled it in wrong!. It hints at a brief, prior marriage, though!. Floyd and Clara may be Anna's in-laws from her first marriage!.


Arthur is one household down this time (163 & 164); the enumerator went south to north this decade, perhaps!.

Arthur Flowers 28
Rose Flowers 26
Clarence Flowers 6
Arthur Flowers 2

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1900: Portsmouth Ward 5, Scioto, Ohio; Roll: T623 1319; Page: 5A;

Sophia Schafer, 44, head, Oh, Ger, Ger
Anna Schafer, 22, dau, Oh, Oh, Oh (As are the rest)
Albert Schafer, 20, son
George B Schafer, 15, son
Edw C Schafer, 11, son
Joseph W Schafer, 6, son

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This might be Clara as an orphan in 1900!.

1900: Portsmouth Ward 7, Scioto, Ohio; Roll: T623 1319; Page: 5A;

Stephen S Losee, 62, head
Kate Losee, 44, wife
Clara L Schaffer, 11, cook, Oh, Germany, Oh

It might not!. "Clara" was a popular name then!.

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Ohio Deaths

Name: Anna M Flowers
Birth Date: Est!. 1882
Residence City: Cleveland
Residence County: Cuyahoga
Residence State: Ohio
Residence Country: United States
Death Date: 2 Jan 1959
Hospital of Death: Womans General Hospital
City of Death: Cleveland
County of Death: Cuyahoga
Certificate: 00939
Age at Death: 77
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As to what it means, isn't Genealogy fun!? The obvious explanations are

1) Anna Kelley married a Mr!. Schaffer, who died, and she then married Frank Flowers!.
2) Someone got the "Kelley" name wrong
3) Someone got the "Schaffer" name wrong!.

I can't find any Ann/Anna Kelly/Kelley in Scioto County in 1900!. That is inconclusive; they had trains back then!.

I can find an Anna Schaffer!. She is 4 years too old!. People, especially single women in their 20's and women who married men younger than themselves, have been known to shave a year or two off their ages for the census!. The "Boarders" in 1910 may be in-laws; I've seen a daughter and son-in-law put down as "Boarders", and a nephew, and any number of cousins!. They may be boarders; Ohio has a lot of German immigrants and Shaffer/Schafer/etc!. is a common name!.

I'd suggest you write for the death certificate and see if it has her maiden name!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

Do a search on the web, everyone has a cousin that they haven't seen in years who has done some of the research already!. in a search engine type in
(your last name)+genealogy
you can also try
(your last name)+family
Good LuckWww@QuestionHome@Com

You need to get hold of Anna Marie's marriage certificate!. It might be that she was married twice, her mother married twice or that she was an illegitimate child and then her mother married!. The marriage certificate may not be able to fully answer this but it will at least give you something to work from!.

When you get the marriage certificate check her name, and check her father's name as this will help you out!. You can use this to start looking at census records for the father and for Anna Marie as I understand US census records are available up to 1930, which is a lot later than we can access our census records here in the UK! Once you start being able to track them in census records you can see who else was living in the house and when new additions to the family were made etc!. Should help you get hold of other certificates that will help shed light on the family!.

I have to admit I don't know how the records system works in the US, but I would hope that you have access to Birth, Marriage and Death indexes!. Given that you have found out about her stillborn son you can probably work out a rough time frame in which she and Frank could have married and given the information in the book you have I would suggest looking at Portsmouth, Ohio first!. That should help you find a possible marriage certificate!.

I wish you the best of luck with this!. You won't find the solution over night but it's definitely not a dead end yet!. Keep asking questions if you get stuck!.Www@QuestionHome@Com