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Question: What do you think about photographers who work for free!?
By Matt Brown

Stop working for free!
Next time you're in the local hardware store, ask the salesman to give
you free tools and tell him in return you will tell all your friends
you got your tools from his hardware store!.

Or try it at the grocery store!. I can see it now, standing at the
check at line:

"That we be $102!.85, sir!."

"You don't know me but I will tell everyone I know to shop at Ralph's
if I can just get my groceries for free"!.

"Sure Mr!. Brown nobody knows about us yet, here's your food and have a
nice day!"

Sweet!

Can you send me a photo!? Can I get a photo for free!? We will give you
credit for the photo! How many times have you heard that!?

Free! Free! Free!

I've had CBS!.com, Wilson Sporting Goods Global Marketing, Fox Sports,
ESPN!.com, ABC, CBS, Fox, Rivals!.com, Baseball America, college
websites and yes, newspapers, magazines, all ask for FREE photos!. Some
are even willing to give me photo credit!.

Wow! Give me photo credit for a photo I created! So these companies
can take it and make money from a product I provided free!. Yes, money!.
The bottom line here is money!. Give me your photos for free and I can
post them on their company website or run it in a publication!. !.!. what
a concept!

I received an email the other day from a CBS College Sports Network
production assistant!. Here is the exchange:

"Matt,
I hope all is well!. Can you email me six Cal State Fullerton Baseball
action photos from this season!?
Thanks,
Mr!. X"

I replied that day:
"Mr!. X,
There will be a charge for use of the photos!.
Matt"

The response:
"Matt,
My boss said no due to the fee!.!.!.sorry!.
Thanks,
Mr!. X"

At the same time I was emailing Mr!. X, he was emailing Mr!. Greenlee,
the Sports Information Director at Cal State Fullerton asking if he
can get me to waive the fee because CBS just doesn't have the money to
buy photos!. Did you know what David Letterman makes a year!? Dave
signed a contract in 2006 that makes him a reported $38 million a
year! Why can't CBS buy my photos ($50 each) for their website!?

I emailed Mr!. X and asked if CBS ever pays for photos!. What he wrote
back was shocking:

Southern California freelance photographer Matt Brown shot this during
a portrait lighting class with Cal State Fullerton basketball player
Frank Robinson during Sports Shooter Academy V!.

"Matt:Cal State Fullerton was the 1st school that we came across that
charges a fee to use photos!. Other schools just gladly give them to us
for free and we credit the photographer or sports information from the
school…whichever they prefer!. I have yet to see CBS College Sports pay
for photos to use!.

Mr!. X"

Well that answers why can't CBS buy my photos ($50 each) for their TV
show: Because you or your boss is handing out photos for free! Maybe
you don't know this is happening or you just like seeing your byline
on a website!. But it's just bad business!.

I never had anyone call me up after seeing my photos on ESPN!.com and
say we NEED you to shoot our annual report or our next catalog!.

Maybe schools have something worked out with their photographers about
handing out photos to websites!. Maybe the photographer gets paid extra
for the ability to hand the photos out!. Just make sure you know what
is happening to your work!. I have a feeling a lot of photographers
don't know what happens to their photos!.

I had another jaw dropping moment when a former athlete from one of my
schools who now works in the SID office at a PAC-10 school, told me
when athletes ask her for photos, she would just burn them a CD full
of photos!.

MY TWO SCHOOLS
Two of my bigger clients are Division I schools, Long Beach State and
Cal State Fullerton!. I have established the rules for working for them
and the do's and don't of using my work are set in writing!. 1) I own
all my photos, not the school!. 2) Photos can go out to local
newspapers and the newspaper of the hometown of the student athlete!.
3) No photos go to magazines, websites, players, family or fans and
all referrals go through me!.

One school follows the rules with no trouble!. The other school is hard
headed!. I have found photos on the websites and magazine and I get the
line: "We should have the ability to publicize our programs!." I
understand their point of view!. But here's my point of view: If the
schools just hand my photos over to another source they are going to
make money from my work and I am getting nothing in return!. Isn't it
reasonable to expect to be paid fairly for photos!?

HURTING A FRIEND
As you know, we work in a small community, which is getting smaller
everyday!. A good friend of mine, Larry Goren does freelance work for
Baseball America!. He covers Major League Baseball, the minor leagues
and college baseball for them on a regular basis!. Larry covers 4 - 5
Long Beach State and Cal State Fullerton baseball games a year!.
Baseball America would call Cal State Fullerton or Long Beach State
and ask for free baseball photos for its website or magazine!. By
getting photos from the schools for free they wouldn't have to pay
Larry for his photos!.

Faculty member and freelance photographer Matt Brown gives advice to
participant Sawitree Crowe while covering an NCAA men's baseball game
at Cal State Fullerton during Sports Shooter Academy V held in Orange
County, CA!.
I put a stop to it after locking horns with Baseball America a couple
times!. Remember we are working in a small community and we must
lookout for each other!. We can help or hurt each other's bottom line!.

LOSING OUT TO THE WORKING
Last week I had two schools, Purdue and Nevada, email me about
shooting the NCAA Women's Softball Regional at UCLA!. I gave them a
cost for shooting per game!. I sent samples and waited to hear back
from them!. You would think if someone goes out of their way to get in
touch with you, it might be a done deal and they are serious about
hiring a professional!.

The next day I heard from them: Both schools are going with someone
else!. I asked them who the photographer was and how much was he
charging and I was told it was a professor from the UCLA Science
Department!.

I know some people at the campus and made some calls!. I found out his
name and did some homework on being a professor at UCLA!. This Weekend
Warrior makes over $90,000 a year, loves taking sports photos and
regularly hands over free photos to schools!. He just picked up the
phone and called the schools looking to shoot for them during the
playoffs!. The cost he was asking: $100!. Not per game, for the entire
weekend! That's 3 or 4 games for $100 total!

I emailed Joseph Rudnick, Dean of Chemistry & Biochemistry at UCLA,
asking if could work at school on Tuesday and Thursday for free
because I just love science!. I told him I received an A+ in
Biochemistry in college!.

Think about it for a second!. We have people who just love taking
photos for free or dirt-cheap as a hobby and think that they can do
what you do for a living (as a professional photographer) !. I went to
school for photography and I have busted my *** to get where I'm at
and for what!? So some professor can do below average work for cheap!?
Why can't I teach biochemistry for little or no cost!? I never heard
back from the dean, too bad !.!.!. I was really looking forward to
teaching biochemistry at UCLA!.Www@QuestionHome@Com


Best Answer - Chosen by Asker:
No professional should give away their work! But there will always be those who are not pros that are willing to do it just for their name on the credit line!.

It is not right nor fair, but it is a fact that we must accept!.

I am on your side!!!Www@QuestionHome@Com

Yeah, how did everything fit in the question box!? Did it cost you > 5 points!?

Anyway, I kinda stopped reading after a few paragraphs!.!. I am sorry!. I mean, I don't disagree with what I read, and I am sorry they refused to pay you, but I am not sure what the question is !.!. because I never got to the end of it!.

Sorry!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

All of the pics that I post on Morguefile!.com are for free!.
So far I have posted well over 2,000 and had 70000+ downloads from folk who want to use the pics for things like church magazines, leaflets, their personal website, and many other uses!.
You may say that I am taking the bread from professional photgraphers!. I like to think that I am helping people who can't afford to pay ï¿¡75 for the use of a 7 x 5 pic!.
Incidentally I think your arguement was overlong and I too, did not read all the way through it!. Yes I agree that the skinflint mega-buck firms should be ashamed of themselves, but this is the world as it is!.
American firms seems to think that that is good business - to get something for nothing - best of luck to you for telling them "Up yours"Www@QuestionHome@Com

How did you get the much posted in one post!? I get cut off at 1000 characters!?

Beyond that!.!. I think its kinda ridiculous that major corps like that are begging for free pics!.

BUT

Its a good business manuveur as they are getting what they want and need, for free!. As long as there are people willing to do it, they will be asking!.

But, some people arent in it for the money, and just think its awesome that their photo is the one that is used!. That is how they get so many people to do this!. They had fun taking it, and getting it used was a bonus for them!. Or as a student, quite an honor that a major corp wanted to use their pictures!.

Thats the way it works in free lance!. Either get another job or deal with it, unfortunatly!. Make your pics so much better that they are worth paying for!.


Its why its called 'starving artist', and why every artist should have a fall back resource on how to make money if they cant sell their workWww@QuestionHome@Com

I am not sure what your concept of free is!. I have shot for free in the past and probably will in the future (gifts to friends and family don't count), but only in the sense that I didn't receive money!. I have, however, always made sure that I got equivalent value for what I did!.

For example, let's say an event would normally be $650!.00 for 4 hours!. If I can get the equivalent advertising/promotional value out of shooting it for free, I will!. I would have to invest that amount as a cash outlay, anyway!. Then there are the common 'time for pictures' arrangements that are worked out with models!. They get something for their portfolio 'free' and I get what I'm after without paying their pro models rates!.

While it may not involve getting paid in money, I rarely work for free!. Like I said, friends and family don't count when I am doing it as a gift to them!. Another area where I will work for free is when some group has a specific project that I believe in and where my photography will help them realize their goals!. I don't see my working for 'free' in that situation is any different than writing a check to them!.

As a general rule, I don't mind if people shoot for free!. They generally aren't as good as I am and don't get the jobs I am after!. The ones who undercut all the time (and that is their only selling point) don't last very long!. The work load will kill them and they can't get much in the way of word of mouth advertising because their product isn't that good!.

I also don't worry about all of photography!. I have specific markets that I deal with and compete only in those markets!. I don't care if someone, or even everyone, shot baby pictures for 25% of what I charge - I don't do baby pictures!.

VanceWww@QuestionHome@Com

Wow, that's a big post!.!.!.,

Some years ago I worked as a Photo Editor at a Photo Press Agency and I know that sometimes some People can sometimes be a little 'sneeky'!. For example an advertising agencie that ask for a bunch of photo's to have a look at while, using them for their presentation on Monday and sending them back the day after, saying that they haven't found the Photo's they where looking for!.

Maybe you can't even blame them!.!.!.,

I do think the reality is that you have to deal with the 'Law of Question & Demand' and, with lots of people looking for the most easy way to do things, working on budgets at corperations that think that 'Leaner and Meaner' is
the best way to go!.

I do think that you can either fight against 'reality' or somehow find a way to work within 'the system', or else possibly create your own system!? What I mean to say is!.!.!.,

'And I don't know If you already
work along those lines but!.!.!.,'

'You obviously know a great deal about 'Sport Photography', you might consider making a specific blog about 'Sport Photography' , write yourself or else make use of 'FREE Content' from 'Article Directories' buy specific PLR-Rights Content!. (Private Label Rights) or work together with journalists!. (or for example put up 'Photo Contests' for amature photographers (possibly charging an admission fee :)) that you judge while expressing your expert status!)

'Not going 'Against the Stream'
but 'Going 'With the Flow''

Possibly creating an easy to use system for people to easily buy your photo's!. Having your own 'Photo Stock Agency Online!'!.

put up Adsense ads, and other 'Sport Related' ads or maybe do some 'Affiliate Marketing' on the side selling 'Sport Related' products that you can get commisions from!.

(BTW on my main Blogspot http://hpshappy!.blogspot!.com
You can also find a 'Happy Home Business Blogspot' where you can find more info about 'Affiliate Marketing'!.)

I don't know if 'Blogging' can be the whole answer for you, nevertheless you might consider this an 'Avenue'
to explore!. Or it might have helped you to get some inspiration to explore other 'Avenues'!.

All the Best,
To your Happy Inspiration,
HPWww@QuestionHome@Com

One of the oldest strategies to get business if to under cut the competition on their price and to offer discounts!. Tonight I am going to charge $100 for an hour of work to basically take some snap shots and in two weeks I am doing a wedding for guess what- FREE! The wedding photography is my wedding present to the couple!. Sometimes free is free and sometimes it is a gift- you never know all the circumstances!. When one FREE lances you have to get your name and work out there some how!
As far landing jobs, if you have ever worked for any kind of corporation, the best qualified rarely lands the job or promotion, there are usually other agendas at work!. Ever not win a photo contest when you knew you had the best photo entered!? One time Elvis Presely entered a Elvis Look a Like contest, Elvis came in third! Had to be some kind of other agenda to fulfill besides who looked the most like Elvis!.Www@QuestionHome@Com