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Question: Survey: Hypothetically, if you had never read The Bible, or been exposed to any "religious" teachings!.!.!.
!.!.!.whatsoever, and based upon all your experiences "outside" any religious indoctrination, would you be able to express a "very logical and reasonable" reason why you think that the existence of a "Fantastigorical Bodiless Creator of the Entire Universe" seems like a "plausible" conclusion to come to, based upon your own life experience so far!?
(And I'm not an Atheist, nor am I a "believer," I simply am curious as to how "you" personally reconcile "reality" with that kind of "outside reality" claim of a "super mind being" who exists without any "physical body!?")
What I mean is!.!.!.it has been my "own personal experience" that the "only" beings I have ever encountered, are "beings with physical bodies (i!.e!.!.!.physical lifeforms such as humans, other mammals, and all other physical lifeforms you know about!?)
I'm not trying to "convince" anybody of anything with this question!.!.!.I am simply asking!.!.!.!?Www@QuestionHome@Com
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I'm no authority, but the gist of things run something like this are far as I can gather from the various interpretations that are out there!. All the metaphors stem from a rigorous analysis of how consciousness appears to be structured!.
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A void - pure consciousness, a unity, uniform,
featureless, attributeless!. No one goes here!.
First split divides the void!.
The Divine Dreamer and The Dream!.
Void and God(The Light)!.
Sunyata and paramatma!. Buddhas can go here!.
Second split divides the dream!.
The Dream and The Individual Dreamer!.
God and the Soul
Paramatma and Jivatma
Heaven and Hell (a Lake of Fire - the light thru a portal)
Third split divides the soul
Internal experience and external experience
"I" and "other"
Mental and Physical
Birth of the id, the heart, feeling, one!.
More splits divide the soul connecting discrimated internal aspects to discriminated external aspects, signifiers and the signified, symbols and things, order out of chaos!. Birth of the ego, the mind, rationality, twoishness - words create reality!. Thus two in one - the trinity - internal and external within the soul!.
See Chapter 42 of the Tao Te Ching!.
More splits create the superego and higher degrees of abstraction and discrimination, metaphors, science, religion, philosophies, laws!.
The principle of separating which is the process by which the Void becomes You, has been called Satan, that old dragon, the serpent!. Hence, it is equated with the ego and selfishness!.
Ourobouros the snake eating its tail may also be related, since, a seeker traces the discriminations up the pyramid only to find nothing and so comes back down to find divinity in everything, love, and everyone subject to the same illusion, compassion, the beginning and the end, the alpha and omega!.
Everyone is looking to find divinity up the pyramid, yet it is in the here and now!. We are all divine, all enlightened as we are!. The mystics who have spiritual experiences are just special cases, bright lights within a rich diversity of experiences!. Everyone wants to be a mystic instead of what they are!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
There are things seen and things unseen -- those that lie beyond the realm of human understanding!.
Considering how little humans know about the true nature of reality and existence, it stands to reason we know even less about the ultimate energy of the universe -- the forces still unknown to us!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
Actually it was the bible that lead to my agnosticism!.
As a young lad I was interested but encountered many inconsistencies and contradictions, one day I realized that I was just making excuses to believe the bible in spite of this and then I started learning about other religions and wound up completely atheistic and agnostic to a possible first cause that intentionally created the universe!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
Yes, because we all believe in things that we cannot see or even touch!. For example:
love
ideas
anger
hate
happiness
There is no physical nature to them, but no one will deny their existence, even those that have never heard of God!.
So I do believe it is possible to explain the existence of a physical-less God with reason!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
That this universe had to come from somewhere, and it's so incredible that it's creator has to be more incredible than what he made, and having a physical body is really a weakness!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
Pock,
Read the book, Man is Not Alone, By
Abraham Joshua Heschel!.
It will answer all the questions you pose!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
Any alert/active/questioning mind would actually wonder, at some point in his life, about the forces working in our life that are totally out of our control!. That should logically be the starting point for our quest of the unexplainable, unfathomable powers-be!. I think that wonderment alone would lead us to the entity whom we call by many names!. Call it an easy way out but the mystery remains a mystery yet a handy tool!.
I'm a believer in a 'Power Beyond Comprehension'!.!.!.not an atheist but at the same time not led by ritualistic practices!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
I believe that the thought that there is no greater being is so incredibly small minded of us that it is incredible!. You can look at animals that change themselves in the midst of a predator to look just like the local flora and fauna!.!.!.!.animals under the sea that glow!.!.!.!.things in space that are so vast and unimaginable!. This was not all some kind of big bang or magic!. If there was simply a big bang!.!.!.where did the engery that created the big bang come from to begin with!? Did you ever read SETH SPEAKS!? You should read it!. As for your question about seeing non-physical beings!.!.!.!.!.I believe that some are simply in the mindset or have the right electrical energy to see things others don't!. The thought that ghost or energy does not exsist is absurd!. Therefore there is the possibility of a God as well!. I myself believe in God or even Gods united to the same goal!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
There is a possibility for you to believe even if not expose or thinking critically albeit its low!.
What most "critical thinking theist" think is that there is something metaphysical,something that we cannot understand and cannot be comprehended by science, so in order to understand it is to go beyond that circle in which we only opt to understand!.
Sadly the bible is a proof that Christianity is a hoax, assuming that it is real- and that we CAN understand it(and its very simple) makes it NOT that thing that we "cannot comprehend"
an example is that theist believe that God is real and it is impossible for man to understand/comprehend/Define him but the bible do those things-So even the existence of the Bible may be a proof that Christian belief does not exist
-How Ironic
Edit: In addition if your really interested in this metaphysical philosophy, then i must say that you already have experience the metaphysical, you can't percieve it but you know that it is everywhere- NoumenaWww@QuestionHome@Com
there is a possibility as there is a possibility of existence of a Fantastigorical Bodiless being like life forms on other planets that is not carbon based, our senses are limited and can deal only with physical manifestation, there is no objection that electrical power exists but we can not see it!. as for creator "super mind being" I have my reservation as the notion of super being creating defected creatures does not compute (eg!. men have breasts even they do not breast feed)Www@QuestionHome@Com