Question: To atheists !?
well , am not religious but i'm so damn sure there is god
i mean everything starting before manexistamce is CLEARLY going with a very accurate system , even inside your body ,everything is very coordinated so well that your able to think an read what i write , move your fingers so fast along the keyboard and answer me , your fingers couldn't move without a mind could they!? i mean how on earth could someone think "nature" created all this and everything is evolving by itself
i mean even evolution is created by god , how could something evolve without someone evolving it!?!!
could the motherboard on a computer decide that it needs extra processor!!!
i'm not trying to convince you ofcource i'm just wondering that's all
i think athiest are just ppl who are convincing themselves with stuff for personal reasons , like being desperad ,angry ,or even fear of the idea that this god would want them to do somethingWww@QuestionHome@Com
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I'm not going to defend atheists or believers, but I agree with you that getting angry, arrogant, and/or defensive on the issue is not productive!. I wish there were civil forums where secular & non-secular arguments could be made and everyone benefits from them!.
I wonder what would happen if God wished himself out of existence, making all the atheists correct!. Would existence as we know it suddently come to and end!? Or could we as people manage somehow on our own!?Www@QuestionHome@Com
The flaw in your argument is that if everything had to be created because it's all so complex,then where did God come from!? I'm not saying He doesn't exist,but the logic
in your argument is limited!. The fact is there is no logical way
to prove or disprove the existence of a hypothetically
all-powerful,all-knowing spiritual entity!. That's why I'll stick with
agnosticism and live my life without worrying about what the Man Upstairs might want from me!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
Oh just shut it!.
People who can't understand evolution shouldn't try to sound as if they can singlehandedly oppose it!.
And PLEASE, for the love of whatever God you desperately cling to- drop the 'something from nothing' argument!. Its been tried and beaten again and again!. Do something new for a change!
There DO exist the 'angry atheist' (for instance an ex-Christian gay who became an atheist because God said 2 penises + 1 bed = NOT cool) but atheists are not so easily generalised (unlike religious people; who choose to be bound by a narrow set of beliefs)!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
"i think athiest are just ppl who are convincing themselves with stuff for personal reasons , like being desperad ,angry ,or even fear of the idea that this god would want them to do something"
Wrong!. I'm an atheist because I think that all versions of a 'god' are pointing at an egotistical, stuck up, whiney man!.
also, I feel that christians only believe in a so called god out of fear of hell!.
The idea of god is extra!. Unneeded!. We didnt like or hate cookies until we made them up!. God is made up!. I don't have anything against christians, jewish people, or anyone religious!. I do have a problem with assumptions like this!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
Who said things are just right as they are!? Maybe there would be a more efficient body for us, but since it has not evolved yet, we don't yet know about it!. You're assuming we are at our ultimate state right now!.
also, why do you need a mind for a finger!? Microscopic organisms have little protruding parts that suffice without a brain!. They can move based on chemical signals, some can move based on different levels of light!. You don't necessarily need a brain to have a moving extension of your body!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
I'm not religious either, but I have to agree!. And growing up in church I have seen many things that science can not prove!. For instant being very sick as a little girl with asthma, and I have had and signs of asthma since the last time I was prayed for many many years ago!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
what is god!?how do you define god!? the world is not what it seems!.it's way more coplex!.so you can never know if there is a god!.if god is what you think, then it's just a theory and you have created the god!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
i think you, like many people, need to grasp the fact that while answers to all of your questions do not exist yet, its pretty stupid to jump to stupid conclusions without any fact to back you upWww@QuestionHome@Com
very good point!.!.!.now seek the truth from all religions to come to the conclusion that they are all one and the same!.!.!.and that there is only one religion out there that sums them all up and that is islamWww@QuestionHome@Com
And on a planet millions of lightyears away their may be an alien race who work just as well as us, but in a completely different way!.
Ponder on that for abit, and see what you think then!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
i agree exactly with what ur sayin!. even if evolution theory is true everything is so perfectly coordinated there must be a god, a higher powerWww@QuestionHome@Com
did your god make you 'dead inside'!?
either way i refuse to believe something not proved to me!. i'm not atheist, though!. i'm agnostic!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
Why try to start an argument!?
There will NEVER be full agreement between atheists and believers, so don't even try!.
Oh, and learn to spell!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
Right!.!.!. I'll keep thinking what I want to think and you keep thinking whatever it is you think!.!.!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
Wowee, so damn true! I couldn't explain it any better!Www@QuestionHome@Com
i totally agree with you!Www@QuestionHome@Com
actually, i used to believe in god, and what your saying is true, most atheists converted because either they never got their prayers answered, or they believe their is no god because their life is bad
but for the people like me, we believe in logic and science, in the idea that if there WAS a god, he would have proof of his existence, and that if he was truly there, someone would have had to created Him, and so on, so it would create a huge chain of "who created who who created who!?", sadly, no one can prove it either way, remember, the brain is a complex thing, that's why were more advanced than animals, but animals also have advantages over us, evolution is why that is, what evolution is is pretty much the advancing of an (or a group) of organisms
the thing is, if there was a god, is he merciful to those who have strayed!? to those have have chosen a different god!? does that not go against the whole "god cares for everyone, and makes no judgement", too many contradictions within religion, and not enough proofWww@QuestionHome@Com
Because everything works so well in your system is 'proof' that there is a god!.!.!.!.hmmm!.
Your thought process reminds me of the movie “The Gods Must Be Crazy,” a native in the Kalahari Desert encounters technology for the first time--in the shape of a Coke bottle!. I found this to be very amusing, but I also began to see parallels between his thought process, and that of the modern day Theist like you!.
Both are using CAVEMAN LOGIC to explain their world!. I fail to see the difference between “hmm, bottle fall from sky, must be gods” and “hmm, trees, butterflies, the complex human organism prove the existence of god!.”
In both of these cases, someone is simply replacing one unknown for another unknown, but proving nothing!
Not only can God not be proven, but I will also go so far as to say that God can be disproved!. It is impossible for something to be all knowing and all good!. If you are aware that something bad is going to happen, and you allow it to happen anyway, then you cannot be all good!. If God created everything, then he also created evil!. It is also impossible to be all-powerful; can God create a rock that even he himself cannot move!?
I would have thought that as man became more knowledgeable and logical that he would have pushed aside his caveman beliefs, but it seems to be just the opposite!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
most of the times it has nothing to do with anger and despair!.!.!.
i study in med school and i know for sure, that there was no adam and eve, but we all came from a single cell!.!.!.
einstein said: tell me what you mean when you say GOD and i'll tell you whether i believe!.!.!.
if you know the chemistry and anatomy of the brain, you will undertand that all we really are is chemical reactions, signals and impulses!.!.!.
noone knows if there is sth after death, but we all want to believe that, cause thinking that once we die there's nothing else to do, think or wait for is cruel!.!.!.
i believe there is a god, whatever that means!. i picture him in my mind as luck, coincidences, sth that moves strings!.!.!. sth that made the bing bang when all started!.!.!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
im an atheist and i have almost ALL MY LIFE!.
ive been going to christian schools my whole life!. almost all my friends are those typical sunday church goers, but im STILL not religious!.
and im DEFINATELY not depressed, angry, or in fear that there is the idea of god!.
i just need to see things in order to believe!.
people that believe in god are just hopeless people that are hoping for something in their next life or their lives with god or something!.
ive even TRIED to make sense of the whole god thing my reading the bible front to back!.
i STILL dont believe he created us!.
i think revolution makes more sense then any "god" making us!.
i mean, NO supreme power in this world could make us in likee!.!.!. one day!.
as you said, were WAYY to complicated and we all have our own feelings and minds!.
and YOU call yourself an atheist!.
you may have been but you DEFINATELY arent anymore!.
i think that people who ARE religious are looking for a way out of trying the best for themselves in their livess!.
THEY are the angry, depressed, and fearful ones!.
their too scared to stand by themselves so they have to beleive in this supreme power!.
and honestly, if god were so important wouldnt the pastors be a little educated and respectable!.
i mean, most of those people didnt even go to COLLEGE!.
they get out of high school and realize that their gonna have to sell drugs or park their butts next to some bag lady on the street and beg for quarters!.
so they convert to christianity (supposedly) and get paid some decent cash!.
face it, loser!.
you KNO im rite!.Www@QuestionHome@Com
Alright let me address this question in a serious non-flaming way!.
First of all it sounds like you REALLY need to read up on the science of evolution!. Evolution has been -proven- beyond the benefit of a doubt that it is in fact the way mankind has came to be!. There is no we "think" nature created it, we know and it's proven!.
Second!. The example you use is using an inanimate object and expecting it to multiply or enhance itself by magic, that is not the proper comparison to evolution of a living organism!.
There is fossil evidence, cellular evidence, DNA evidence all that links man to it's earlier primate cousins!. When I say fossils I mean you can actually even find bones and fossils of Neanderthal man, along with Man as we know it in the same time line!. Comparing the two you can see what has been "evolved" into the latter!.
So in view of all the concrete evidence that points towards evolution, that screams out "There is no denying it!" to evolution!. You are the one who is asking us, why we don't believe in god!?
God, who is an invisible deity that watches everything we do, has a list of ten things we shouldn't do and whom people will simply say, "God works in mysterious ways" when something horrible happens and asked "Why would god allow this!?" is more believable to you then evolution where they can show you step by step how things advanced, explain the process in great detail!.
But you still believe in a man you've simply read a book about, a book written by a man however long ago!?
I think you really need to read a few books like "Farewell to God" and "The God Delusion" as well as any number of fine books on evolution!.
I can only hope that you're blind faith and upbringing do not stop you from seeing the truth as it really is!.
Best of luck!Www@QuestionHome@Com
And it's easier for me to believe that there is a all mighty powerful entity in the sky who I'm supposed to bow down to for creating me!?
I think it's easier to believe in science than that belief!.
I think we should agree to disagree!.!.!. all atheists and religious people!.
Because honestly, even if atheists had proof of there no possablitly of a higher being, or entity, they wouldn't believe it anyway!.
After all, Religious people's fight is - "We evolved out of cyanobacteria!?"
Atheist's counteraction "There's a all-mighty entity in the sky, that came from nowhere, and was always here!.!.!.!?"Www@QuestionHome@Com
First, I'm Agnostic, not an Atheist, but wanted to put my two cents in on the subject!. Why I see issues with religion and science is that I am open to the idea that there's more than one possibility for most things!. I think if you study biology and really sit down and cogitate on it, you can see that over billions of years that it's possible for things to have evolved to their current state!. No scientist can ever say that evolution is a fact!. There's no such thing as 'fact' in science!. The only thing we have are hypotheses and then empirical evidence that 'supports' the given hypothesis!.
I think the reason we have so many issues is that it's hard for people to imagine what changes can occur over the course of billions of years!. We live to maybe 120 years if we're really lucky, and as a civilization, have only really recently begun to understand what is outside of our world as well as how things work within our world!. Take a minute and look at the Earth and it's inhabitants from a purely biological view!. Look at how and why all of the animals, including humankind, reproduce!. For the lower animals, it's instinct and to preserve the species!. For humans it can be said that it's the same thing, but we've also been able to grow beyond our basic needs of survival and have become self aware and begun to explore outside of our current bubble of existence!.
Perhaps you've heard the phrase, 'Necessity is the mother of invention'!. That speaks volumes to the adaptations that humankind has experienced!. Our brains have developed so that we can train ourselves to learn!. I didn't start out life with the ability to use the 10-Key at 20,000 keystrokes per hour!.!. that came after lots of practice in the accounting area in my job!. Life is trial and error and we learn from our mistakes and teach those around us!. Those people benefit from us and that carries on for generations!. Evolution occurs on the scale of populations, not individuals, so it may be harder to recognize but it is there!. How else do you explain things like peanut allergies for example!? When I was a kid, I'd never even heard of that, but now, my own kids can't even bring foods or snacks with peanuts into schools for fear of sending someone into anaphylactic shock!. The reason is that we have higher standards of cleanliness and our bodies don't get the chance to fight off infections and allergens on their own anymore and we're becoming too sterile for our own good!. It's just another method of natural selection (Darwinism)!. I think if you are honest with yourself, and take the time to open your mind, you can see things like this as a possible alternative!.
To summarize, I am not desperate, angry, or in fear of God for anything, as you might suggest is the reason for not being of a certain religion!. I was raised Catholic and never had anything bad happen to me growing up related to that!. It's just that I started to see the world in a different way, with different possibilities, and wasn't afraid to ask questions!. I am comfortable with how I live my life and agree that yes, humans achieve amazing feats and if I had one selfish wish, it's that I could spend more time watching and seeing how it turns out!.Www@QuestionHome@Com