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Question:What is it that convinces him that the tree made the noise and would that prove that a tree falling in the forest with no one there to hear it would still make a noise?


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Physics.

Movement displaces air, and this is felt by the ear as noise. Yes a tree falling in the woods would make noise regardless of there being anyone there to hear it.

I think Don's answer is better. Houw began to explain the reason this question is a koan. You can dismiss it with facts, but the interest remains. Report It


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  • what the.. clearly if he heard the tree fall.. it was because he knew wat sound it make and knew what it was. the sound it made convinced him that it was a tree falling, even if no1 wa there it would still make a sound, but it wud just go unnoticed

    A tree fall made a noise,if there was an observer who heard it.
    If there was no observer, then it did not make a noise.

    Sound is a perceptual interpretation of vibration. We call this interpretation hearing.

    If there is no one there to hear it, there is no sound. There is just a vibration that would have been interpreted as sound had there been any one there to do that.

    Love and blessings Don

    You got that from Lisa, from the Simpsons didn't you? You guys are idiots!!

    As a baby we understand that just because something is out of sight, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    The tree has always made a noise even before man & ears.

    The answer in one word I believe is:- Faith

    All the best.

    It'll still make a noise because of Laws of physics and a bit of common sense:

    when ever a body falls on to the ground the weight of the body makes a contact with floor it will automatically generate some noise

    CUZ THERES NOW ONE TO HEAR IT NO ! no one this site's supposed to "know", but looking at the laws of physics the sound waves shoul b carried pretty well by the air arround us!!! REGWAH u gave the best answer my man. TRUE with the word 'Philosophy'.

    Sound is just how we interprate vibrations. the tree obviously made a vibration as it fell, so the only way it could make a noise is if someone were there to hear it. otherwise it just created vibrations.

    Don H and others confuse sound and hearing. Sound is simply the vibration. Hearing the processing of that sound by a consciousness capable of perception.

    We believe that sound exists even when we aren't there to hear it because we develope object permanence between the ages of 9 and 12 months old. After that, we understand that things we perceive also happen when we're not around. Scientific results wouldn't be sensible if depended on human perceivers in some sort of unnatural manner. Many think quantum mechanics relies on a perceiver. It does not. It relies on interaction with complex systems, whether those systems are human brains or not.

    We learn as babies about the perception of sound. We learn to put our experience of the world together in a way that's consistent. We learn to associate certain visual experiences with certain aural experiences.

    As for the second part of your question, this belief may not be universal. It may be the result of being stuck in the left-brain portion of our minds, as we are in the West and particularly in the US. In that state, we forget about the total field of consciousness; we no longer experience the wholeness of what we are. This leads to a mechanical view of the universe, typical of our science, for example. We then think that perception is incidental to reality, that it is ultimately unimportant. But it is an extremely important part of reality. So we lose sight of the fact that "noise" is just as much an experience as it is something "out there". The sound waves are out there, but noise is part of a perception, the perception of hearing, which requires an ear.