If god exists it's by chance,so why can't we exists by chance?

Question:"god" means many different things to many different people. In some religions, god (or the gods) existence did not come about by chance (but these tend not to explain 'creation' as a rational act by a sentient being with a particular beginning and end).

The word "god" to me has a very simple meaning (but note that I do not always agree with this):

"god" is the black box explanation that people use to substitute for understanding when they can not or do not care to understand something. In other words, it is, as a few Native American tribes say, 'the Great Mystery" - or everything we don't know - which any rational person will tell you is most things. i do not personify this mass of un-knowledge, nor do I worship it, but there is no doubt that it is there, and that it is a very powerful force indeed.

With regard to the second part of this clever little semi-rhetorical question, evolutionarily speaking, we did not really come about by chance. Sure, mutation is typically random, but the process of natural selection is certainly not random. Ecosystems present a certain number of opportunities over time, and if an organism does not fit within that range, it dies off. Nothing random about that!

Best Answer - Chosen by Asker: "god" means many different things to many different people. In some religions, god (or the gods) existence did not come about by chance (but these tend not to explain 'creation' as a rational act by a sentient being with a particular beginning and end).

The word "god" to me has a very simple meaning (but note that I do not always agree with this):

"god" is the black box explanation that people use to substitute for understanding when they can not or do not care to understand something. In other words, it is, as a few Native American tribes say, 'the Great Mystery" - or everything we don't know - which any rational person will tell you is most things. i do not personify this mass of un-knowledge, nor do I worship it, but there is no doubt that it is there, and that it is a very powerful force indeed.

With regard to the second part of this clever little semi-rhetorical question, evolutionarily speaking, we did not really come about by chance. Sure, mutation is typically random, but the process of natural selection is certainly not random. Ecosystems present a certain number of opportunities over time, and if an organism does not fit within that range, it dies off. Nothing random about that!

It's not by chance.

It is by chance.

Edit: There was no emotion in my response and I responded without the benefit of having first seen the first response. But, you can find amusement in it. I laugh at a lot of stuff too. It's good for the soul. If we have one.

It's not by chance

Whether or not God exists is not by chance, it is a claim. It is either true or false.

...I don't see where you find logic in saying that God exists by chance. Can you maybe share your logical argument that Deity exists by chance?

I'm not disagreeing with you...hell, I'm not even agreeing with you. I'm just curious to hear your reasoning process.

oh, we do... or did you create your body, did you control and organize your birth?

Who says god exists by chance? How can we know of the existence of an omniscient figure, be it how it came to be or if it's even real?
And if there is a higher power how can we chance to guess what are the motivations of our creation: divine intervention, destruction, boredom or evolution.

I'm really amused by the first three answers. It really captures the "Does not" "Does too!" type arguments that are so prevalent in areas such as this that have so much emotion wrapped up in them and affect major aspects of people's lives.

I saw you post this same thing as the answer to a question about logical proofs of God and recognized it as a challenge to a version of the cosmological argument.

The cosmological argument says that for any event, there is a cause. But what about the first cause? Something must have caused that. Alternatively, if the universe always existed, then why does the whole infinite causal chain exist? Why is there something rather than nothing? If it's just chance, then what caused the chance? It must be God.

Your response is common, though I've never seen it worded quite like this. God too must have had a cause. To say otherwise would suggest that God exists by chance. Why is there God rather than nothing? Why then require God at all? Couldn't we just exist by chance?

Personally, I don't think Existence, with a capital E, is pure chance. I tend to think that there is some reason why a universe of the sort that we have must have existed. However, that's a guess, it could be some really lucky chance I suppose. The anthropic principle would become much more important to explaining the existence of the universe if that were the case. Either way, I see no reason to throw God into the mix, as it just moves the problem back a level and doesn't really provide an answer.

" god" doesn't exist. if he did, don't you think we wouldn't be at war. People tell you he is against violence, so why would he let us kill each other. here i wrote a poem about him and Heaven, that will give you better idea of how i feel about him.

Heaven is nothing. Only a lie you are told to keep you from fearing death it's self. It's an excuse to be pulled towards a god who doesn't care. A god who left you to cripple and burn. You might as well search for hell, for hell will soon find you in this world of war. Slashing at the bones, collapsing under the pressure of the government who says, "in god we trust." well who the hell said I trust god with my life, and why shouldn't I be allowed to speak my mind towards government if I don't believe in a man of such power that he could solemnly save us all? here's the thing, "god" abandoned us, and for those who believe he can still save you, then why has he let my family crumble and let so many people die? Heaven is a gate way towards hell.

There is a saying "Nature cannot tolerate a vacuum".
There aught to be another stating: "Nothing" is an impossibility. Go back to what a lot of scientists now agree were the origins of our universe (Multiverse fans be patient) The Big Bang. In Genesis we have God saying "Let there be light!" Now if we can continue along these lines we find many correlations behind creation myths and reality. So this should go toward convincing us that somehow in a pre-scientific age, the start of our Universe, it's progress until man appeared, was imparted to us by whom? and how? How can this information be disseminated to Christians and many other religions around the globe? The Big Bangs unimaginably huge blast of pure unadulterated energy we now interpret as "And the Lord said Let there be light" in the nanoseconds after this same energy coalesced into matter of rare and strange forms. This saga continues until it brings us to the present. I do not represent any but my own point of view here, I say a decision was made by a power independent of time and space who through will alone was causal in the start of our universe. By decision not chance.
Also at that instant myriad other instances could have occurred in dimensions we lack knowledge of, replicating elsewhere the same enormous drama. Only chance AFTER th initial event influencing the outcome(s) of the Uni(Multi)verse(s)