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Question: I found my high school history book on WWII from 1978!. It states 3 million jews were killed in holocaust!.!?
Now I was at a Jewish High School and we were taught 3 million people were massacred!. Now the official figure is 6 million!. How are these figures worked out!? and how can it have doubled in 30 years!?Www@QuestionHome@Com


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Going to chime in though the basics are well covered!.

The exact total is unknown!.

It's estimated around 3 million Jews with 2-3 million others which included political enemies of the Nazis, religious leaders, academics, people with severe mental disabilities, incurably insane, Gypsies, Catholics, resistance fighters and the just plain unlucky were also shipped to camps or shot in the streets!.

That gives you the 3-6 million estimate of those executed by the Nazis!.

There are some records kept by the Nazis!. They were far from complete an much of it was destroyed before Allied armies entered the camps!. Unlike today, without computers centralized record keeping was a very manually intensive process!. The Germans were fanatical record keepers but even the Germans would not expend great resources duplicating records for concentration camps!. So those records destroyed in the face of advancing Allied armies meant all record of those people went away!. How many is hard to say because entire communities were slaughtered!. Families were killed to the last member!. Whole regions were hard hit by Nazi executions and shipments to the concentration camps!. Warsaw for example!. They were hit hard enough before the Jews rebelled!. After the rebellion was put down the Nazis went at exterminating Polish Jews with great vigor!.

The figure will also go up as time goes on!. 100 years from now it will probably be set around 12 million!. Some in part because of new discoveries, some in part because some of the same dead will be rediscovered and counted twice and some because people exagerate for political purposes!.

The total civilian death totals in Nazi occupied nations is staggering!. It's nothing new in history, just the sheer numbers!. During the same time period Stalin managed to kill Russians at an even more efficient rate and the Communists in China were in less than a decade going to start a killing spree that exceeded both the Nazi and Russian genocide totals!.

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High school textbooks are to history what military music is to music!. IE they are basically garbage, most of them are filled with factual inaccuracies!. The figures are worked out by looking at the records, databases include at least three million Jews, not sure where the previous answerer got the idea that no list has been made available!. People started recording this information right after the war, lots of lists are available, one of the most comprehensive is here:

http://www!.yadvashem!.org/wps/portal/IY_H!.!.!.

Most historians agree the number of Jews is around six million, the actual number will never be know!. I mean, lots of Jews were killed in Germany, but lots of others were killed in Russia and places that didn't have the records!.

Another problem is that the Soviet and Polish post war communists governments (and possibly others) deliberately exaggerated the non-Jewish death toll and minimized the number of Jews killed!. To put it mildly, they went to great lengths to screw up the historical record, and even tough they came clean after the fall of the Soviet Union, a lot of records were destroyed!.

And not only communists, Swiss insurance companies were caught decades after the war deliberately destroying archives of Jews who had life insurance policies before WW2!.!.!.lest they be forced to pay out on them!. The people who acquired the Jew's property during and after the war, even if they weren't directly involved in the holocaust, had ample incentive to hide what went on so they could keep the Jew's (and others) stolen property!. We are talking about tens of billions of dollars worth of homes, businesses, savings!.

The true number will never be known, it's in the millions!.

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I read that the estimate is between 5 and 6 million according to the Nuremberg Trials in I think it was 1946!. Whatever that is a tremendous amount of people and the way they died was slow and horrible!. Starvation and difficult labor camps seeing the bodies of friends and family being shot and burned or gassed!. I cannot image living through such atrocities!. That is why their slogan became: Never Again!. I think the schools revive their stats and facts in their history books every so often and that history book sounds like it was not very accurate!. It still is a huge amt of people though whether 3 or 6 million!. Www@QuestionHome@Com

This is the figure gathered from surviving lists and documentations of Jews massacred by the Nazis; the actually figure is likely to be around the 6-8 million mark, although it could be even be as high as 10 million!.
It is undoubtable that the amount of Jews murdered by the Nazis is around 6 million!. Many, many, many Jews were not accounted for!. Many records of deaths and records from camps and churches were destroyed towards the end of the war when the Germans realised they were going to loose, as were many of the smaller concentration camps!. The Nazis did not want to seem as bad as they really were so knocked down and burnt smaller concentration camps and just burnt the records from the bigger camps since it would take too much time to knock down the camp and evacuate the inmates!.
However, the belief that as many as 10 million were murdered, although it may be extreme, is believable!. Thousands of families escaped and went into permanent hiding when Hitler came to power, especially after krystalnacht, and often families would hide it deserted houses or the houses of Jews who had already been captured!. These people, when called to register, did not go, and most were found out by the Nazis, so they would not of been registered and when they were killed they were not recorded to of died!. Thousands of families perished in this way!.
I think your History book is wrong!. Many fo my family were also killed by the Nazis!. My family saw thousands of jews taken to camps such as Auschwitz!. Thye saw Lodz ghetto emptied many times whilst being kept prisoner in houses that the jews on the ghetto once owned!. My family consisted, during the stay at Lodz, of about 25 people, from very elderly great great grandparents to very very young babies(born just before going to Lodz, fortunately, hovever all the young children in my family eventually died whilst being transported on cattle trains due to peunomia, or lack of nutrition) They saw the ghetto emptied many times!. All those who were taken away went to Auschwitz!.
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Just because a 30 year old high school text book claims the number was 3 million doesn't mean anything!. When I was in school my history teacher claimed the Civil War was fought because the north wanted to end slavery and the south wanted to expand it and that's not correct!. Not everything you learn in history class is necessarily accurate but as others have said killing 3 million instead of 6 million hardly means Hitler wasn't so bad and it definitely doesn't mean the whole thing didn't happen!. Www@QuestionHome@Com

Not all who were killed in the death camps were Jews, many Pols, Slavs and people who were considered "enemies of the Reich" were sent to the camps as well!. The figure I always heard was that 6 million people died in the camps of which perhaps 3 million were Jews!. Either way it doesn't really matter, it doesn't make the Nazis any less evil if they only killed 3 million instead of 6 million!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

History books are often wrong - especially American high school history text books!. They are notoriously flawed!.

In order of publishers to get their books accepted by school boards they often omit facts, falsify facts, pacify etc, etc!. What you end up with is a boring, whitewashed and untrue version of events!.Www@QuestionHome@Com


What did the book say EXACTLY!? Did it say 3 million Jews from GERMANY were killed, or in Europe!? There is a difference- of 3 million!.
Text books also make mistakes! I have seen many! Not just typo's, but historians who should know better get there facts mixed up!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

I remember learning that it was at least 3 million - could have been more but since many of the meticulous records they kept have been destroyed they don't know!.

I would say that it depends on whether they're speculating or working on probability, or just going on names!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

I once read that Zionists exaggerated the deaths to create a climate of sympathy so that their claim on a Jewish homeland in Israel could be established!. Every time I mention this I get called names and get abuse, this makes me wonder even more!. But honestly I do not know the real answerWww@QuestionHome@Com

3 million Jews were killed and the other three millions were minorities (such as Gypsies, and Disabled people)Www@QuestionHome@Com

What they should do is give us a list of those killed!.After all Germany was a sophisticated country with identity cards passports, bank records, house ownership records , company registration , birth certificates ,!.school records etc!.

This 6 million have never been named and no list exists, this leads anti Semites to suspect it was gigantic hoax!. There is still time for a list to be produced and I would like to see one to silence the anti Semites

Hamster , where can I verify this!?:
"Adolf Eichmann during his trial in Israel stated that 6 million Jews alone were killed (excluding romas, homosexuals, slavs etc)"

Hamster Spartacus Educational and the Jewish Virtual Library: suddenly come up with this statement about 6 million, where has it been all these years and is it true!?
I still say a record of those killed would be what police would want if investigating , there is no record it seems and that is a shameWww@QuestionHome@Com

Contrary to the myth, the Nazis did NOT keep careful records of who died in the camps or exactly how many, once someone entered there they were not even viewed as being human!. Nobody was freed from the camps by the Nazis so they didn't bother to keep track of who was there, it didn't matter because the prisoners were never going to leave!. Nobody will ever know the exact number of people who died in the camps but 3- 6 million has always been the estimate!. There is no room for the Holocaust denial argument, anyone who has seen the footage knows that it could not have been faked back then!. If you've ever spoken with survivor or a soldier who liberated one of the camps you would know they aren't acting when they tell their story!.

Edit: What I said was that the Nazis didn't keep records of who they killed, the names of the people killed in the camps comes from family members not Nazi records!. As far as they were concerned the people in the camps had no names and weren't even people!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

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lists cant be made , the murders occurred many years ago , and most victims were outside of germany (around 3!.5 million polish jews executed in camps or by shootings)

remember that all the death camps were in the soviet zones (poland) and therefore figures were based on their testimony (the original figures were 2!.5 mil to 3 mil)

and then a few years ago the soviets opened their archives, and it was proven that the germans kept documentation at the death camps listing the figures !.!.!. and names !.!.!. and it was easy to calculate that at least 2!.7 million jews died in camps , and this doesnt even include the mass shootings etc carried out by the death squads in forests and towns

Auschwitz-Birkenau: about 1,100,000
Treblinka: at least 700,000
Be??ec: about 434,500
Sobibór: about 167,000
Che?mno: about 152,000
Majdanek: 78,000

Per their own records, the Einsatzgruppen killed more than one million Jews, almost all civilians, without judicial review and without semblance of legality (this killings were outside of the death camps)

The Yad Vashem Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority in Jerusalem, writes that there is no precise figure for the number of Jews killed!.

The figure most commonly used is the six million cited by Adolf Eichmann, a senior SS official!.

Yad Vashem writes that the main sources for these statistics are comparisons of prewar and postwar censuses and population estimates, and Nazi documentation on deportations and murders!.

Yad Vashem reports that it has the names of four million of the victims


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In addition to about three million Polish Jews (mostly killed in Operation Reinhard), 2!.5 million non-Jewish Polish citizens perished during the course of the war!. Over two million were ethnic Poles (the remaining 500,000 were mainly ethnic minority Ukrainians and Belarusians living in Poland)!.

The Nazi crimes against Soviet Prisoners of War relates to the genocidal policies taken towards the captured soldiers of the Soviet Union by Nazi Germany!. These efforts resulted in some 3!.3 million to 3!.5 million deaths, about 60% of all Soviet POWs

mike ingham !.!.!.
http://www!.spartacus!.schoolnet!.co!.uk/GER!.!.!.

In 1944 Eichmann told Heinrich Himmler that about six million Jews had been disposed of, four million of these having died of "natural causes" in the camps and another two million being killed in the gas chambers!. He told one of his officers that: "I'll die happily with the certainty of having killed almost six million Jews!."

http://www!.jewishvirtuallibrary!.org/jsou!.!.!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

your numbers increase because not everyone who was incarcerated and/or killed were Jews!. Roughly 17 million PEOPLE (not Jews) were incarcerated and/or killed because German policy of the day decided that they were unfit to live or because they were "in the way" for German expansion and colonization!. Of those 17 million, roughly 6 million were Jewish!. To my knowledge the official number of 6 million European Jews killed has never changed but in response to your old textbook--and I've seen textbooks with incorrect info over the years!. I was in elementary school in the 70's and 6 mil was the number we were always told --it could be they were assuming the 6 million included everyone killed and assumed/decided that 1/2 of that number was Jewish!. But I don't really know what's going on with that book!.

people who historians did not originally count as part of the Holocaust death toll were: political prisoners/dissidents, the mentally ill, the handicapped, Arabs, Gypsies, Turks, Slavs, Poles, homosexuals, prostitutes, and criminals!.

I have a coworker whose mother was 16 when she was incarcerated in a concentration camp!. The woman's father couldn't find work in Germany and was hired by a company in Czechoslovakia!. He moved the family there and they lived in a village that was made up of other German citizens who worked for the company!. When Germany invaded, the soldiers rounded up all of the villagers and told them they were traitors to Germany because they left to work in a foreign country!. The woman and her family spent the entire war in the camp!. her parents died because of the unsanitary conditions and malnutrition!. She was in her early 20s when the camp was liberated!. She and her younger brother then immigrated to England and later America!. They never went back to Germany!. In the past her parents wouldn't have been included in the Holocaust death toll because they weren't Jewish and they weren't executed, but now they are included in that death toll!.

A complete list of the dead will never be known because the Germans of the era didn't keep detailed records of WHO was killed only that they did kill, how many were killed, and how they were killed!. And those records are not complete because towards the end of the war when they were losing they destroyed everything that they could from the records on to the people!.

What we have to go on are census records of the areas invaded by Germany before the invasions and the disappearance of a vast number of people who didn't turn up elsewhere!. We have the films and photographs made by the liberators of the various camps!. and while they live, we have the stories of the survivors and the people who lived during those times and witnessed what happened!.Www@QuestionHome@Com