Why is it called The Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo?

Question: Why is it called The Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo!?

i know what is about but what is the Guadalupe- Hidalgo part about!?Www@QuestionHome@Com

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Because it was SIGNED in the TOWN of Guadeloupe, which was later changed to Guadeloupe-Hidalgo!.!.!. How can you know all about it and not know it was named after the town where it was signed!?

The "Hidalgo" part came from Frey Hidalgo, the priest who started the uprising by his firey sermons in his church in Puebla!. Father Hidalgo and some of the other revolutionaries were eventually caught up with in what is now the Texas town of Refugio!. They were sentenced to die by firing squad!.!.!. 4 of the other revolutionaries were shot in the back, but Father Hidalgo demanded, and got, the honor of facing his firing squad because he was a Priest!.

The Texas town of "Goliad", which is about 40 miles from Refugio, is an amalgam of "Hidalgo"!.!.!. with the "H" being silent!.

The popular Mexican town of San Miguel del Allende was known as merely San Miguel prior to the revolution!. The "Allende" was added to recognize the contribution of the town's leading citizen because Allende was one of the other 4 men who were shot along with Frey Hidalgo!.

I don't know why I'm writing all this!.!.!. since you already said you know all about it!.!. but I though others may not know!. also, since you know all about the Treaty, the you have probably seen an actual copy of the treaty which shows the questionable way the section of the treaty was changed after it was signed, to take the land away from the Mexicans and give it to the Texans!.!.!. anyone who knows all about the Treaty Guagelup-Hildago knows all about how that treaty CHEATED THE MEXICANS out of their LANDS!.!.!. and is still in the courts today!.

I don't know where bcptm got their version of history!.!.!. but I HAVE HISTORY BOOKS THAT SAY DIFFERENTLY!.!.!. That person doesn't KNOW MEXICAN HISTORY!.!.!. they are making up that story because IT IS WRONG!. I have the ACTUAL MEXICAN HISTORY BOOKS ON THIS!.!.!. written in SPANISH!.!.!. not TEX-MEX!.

This person is mixing up the MEXICAN REVOLUTIONARY WAR and the TEXAS WAR OF INDEPENDENCE!.!.!. she can't even GET HER WARS RIGHT!. Since GOLIAD was ALREADY A TOWN at the time of that battle!.!.!. obviously Frey Hidalgo had already BEEN DEAD FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS!.

For one thing!.!.!. ALL THE TEXANS who lost the battle at Goliad!.!.!. WERE INCARCERATED in the Presidio for about a week!.!.!. AND THEN THEY WERE EXECUTED!.!.!. so "her" Hidalgo could hardly have been at San Jacinto!.!. which is the battle the Mexicans LOST!. If she would just VISIT THE MISSION and the PRESIDIO she would also visit the MASS GRAVES of the Texans who were SHOT!.

At the Battle of San Jacinto, the rallying cry was not just "Remember the Alamo"!.!. it was also "Remember Goliad"!.!.!.

There were 3 major battles in the Texas war for Independence!.!.!. ALAMO!.!.!. GOLIAD and SAN JACINTO!. The Mexican Revolutin was against THE FRENCH!.!.!. not the TEXANS!.!.!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

~Juan Hidalgo was a Texian militia leader (and later headed one of the most infamous groups of Texas Rangers!. He was stopped by Sam Houston from going to the Alamo because of his importance to the independence movement!. He was a second cousin, once removed, on his paternal side to Father Miguel Hidalgo, whose significance has been alluded to already !. He was at Goliad but did nothing of significance there!. He led a small contingent at San Jacinto!.

At San Jacinto, Hidalgo was among those who pleaded that Gen!. Manuel Fernández Castrillón be spared!. Of course, the Texians opted to shoot Castrillón like a rabid dog, but Hidalgo tried his best to prevent it!. A few days later, Lorenzo de Zavala went to the site and claimed the general's body for burial!. Zavala was traveling with his daughter, Guadalupe!. He heard of Hidalgo's efforts and sought him out to thank him!.

Hidalgo was immediately taken by Guadalupe's charms!. She reciprocated!. Their love was doomed unless and until some semblance of normality was restored to Mexican/Texian/US relations!. Hidalgo and Zavala worked to exhaustion to make a treaty happen and to open diplomatic channels between Austin, Mexico City and Washington!. When the treaty was finally negotiated, it was named in honor of Juan Hidalgo and Guadalope Zavalla, thus "The Treaty of Guadalupe-Hildago!.

The problem with using 'history' books and textbooks is that history is written by the victors, who always place their biases and agendas ahead of the facts!. That is why I go to original sources, particularly the diaries and journals of the principals!. Zavala's journal (his personal diary, not the journals he kept professionally as Mexican Minister of Finance or as Vice-President of the Texas Republic) are instructive on the events, and Hidalgo's and Guadalupe's diaries mention the affair frequently!. After Zavala's death, Santa Anna and David G!. Burnet both met with Hidalgo and Guadalupe and they both mention the couple repeatedly in their correspondence to one another during the negotiations!. Both John Tyler and James Polk mention the couple in connection with the treaty and the negotiations in their personal papers!. I guess they were all making stuff up in the hopes that someone like me would read it a century and a half later, just so I could concoct a fable on Yahoo Answers!. Mea Culpa!.

By the way, the Texians won at Goliad!. The Mexican garrison surrendered under threat of mass execution by the Texians!. The only Texian casualty was freed slave Samuel McCulloch, who was slightly wounded (took a hit in the shoulder)!. Father Hidalgo was not present!. He was long since dead and I mentioned him only because of the familial connection!. The war of Texian Secession was, to be sure, a far different matter than any of the Mexican Revolutions!. I don't recall Goliad, San Jacinto or the Alamo playing any role of significance in any of the revolutions!.

Colonel Juan Carlos Sandoval would be thrilled to know that, by surrendering his entire garrison, he won the battle!. I suppose the other nine battles of the insurrection not mentioned by garrison didn't happen or are simply not worthy of mention!. Of course, when the Texians lost the Battle of Coleto (the third battle of the Goliad Campaign) THEY WERE executed!. The Goliad Massacre was the aftermath of the Battle of Coleto and had nothing whatsoever to do with the Battle of Goliad!. It is called the "Goliad" Massacre because Fannin and his men had been marched to Goliad after they surrendered and a week later were executed by order of Santa Anna!. The Battle of Coleto, that garrison doesn't find worthy of mention, resulted in the massacre a week later, which in turn gave rise to the "Remember Goliad" battlecry!. One would think that such an astute historian would know the difference, but I guess not!. Juan Hidalgo was at the BATTLE of Goliad, not the MASSACRE!. Duh!.

I not only have the right war, but I even know the difference between the Battle of Goliad and the Goliad Massacre!. See what I mean about history books and texts!?

Penny: I doubt you will find online references to either!. They were rather insignificant people in the general scheme of things!. They did, however, have power friends in high places, like John Tyler, James Polk, Santa Anna, Sam Houston, Stephen Austin, Manuel Castrillón and David Burnett!. All of them, at one time or another, refer to Juan and Guadalupe in their personal writings and private correspondence!. The couple were something of a Tex-Mex Romeo and Juliet!. Surely you can find all of the others to whom I refer!? Read their personal papers!. By the way: congrats on recognizing the difference between the Battle of Goliad and the Goliad Massacre!. It is truly appalling how few understand that, other than location, the two events have little, if anything, in common!.Www@QuestionHome@Com

I can't offer anything, but I'm fascinated by the other two posters and their seeming continuous dialog!. bcptm seems to be referring to a romance novel, while Garrison seems to believe that there is a vast conspiracy involved!.

The events at Goliad, from the admittedly non-definitive Wikipedia, seem to be two separate incidents!. One, the Battle of Goliad, was in 1835 and the Texians won after a 30 minute battle and the Mexicans surrendered!. The other, the Goliad Massacre in 1836, was when the Texians were were executed at Goliad!. Perhaps these events have different names in different languages!?

I know history was written by the victors, but I had no idea that it was being constantly updated!.

bcptm: I'd feel more confident in your events if I could find any reference at all online to Guadalupe de Zavala or Juan Hidalgo!. Www@QuestionHome@Com