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Position:Home>Genealogy> Experienced UK Genealogist...can you help me with an enquiry...thanks?Question:Does anyone know if there was a problem with the 1841 census for the parish of Ripon. I need to trace someone living in one of the villages in 1841 but have read somewhere that parts of the census may have been missing?! Best Answer - Chosen by Asker: Does anyone know if there was a problem with the 1841 census for the parish of Ripon. I need to trace someone living in one of the villages in 1841 but have read somewhere that parts of the census may have been missing?! Quite a few parts of many censuses have been water damaged. However it depends on the village. Some villages have been spelt wrong etc. Names also are spelt wrong frequently. I would say about 40-50% of all my tree have been wrongly recorded on censuses. Depends which village. Need more details. I live near Ripon too so I know the area. According to Ancestry, there are problems with some areas around Ripon in 1841, which include the following missing areas: Piece 1286 (Yorkshire) Wapentake: Claro (Lower Division) Parish: Ripon (part) Township: Bewerley Hamlet: Greenhow Hill (part) Wapentake: Claro (Lower Division) Parish: Ripon (part) Township: Dacre Hamlet: Hayshaw Sadly, it's not that uncommon for one reason or another. Most of my ancestors went missing from the 1851 census in Manchester (flood damage) and most of the Dunmow district of Essex in 1851 as well (god knows where these went but they're not there!). Thee could be some bits missing, or even just unreadable, just remember the the ages of adults given on the 1841 census were rounded up to the nearest 5 so a 21 year old would be shown as 25, and relationships were not shown either. I would cross reference with the IGI (www.familysearch.org) If you use the 1841 census you might want to try www.lostcousins.com) this site is free to use and uses the 1841 & 1881 UK census and the 1880 census for Canada and the USA to link researchers. Good luck and good hunting I have had a look at the census returns for Pately Bridge and Dacre Bank, yes the opening page for Pately Bridge does look damaged, Dacre Bank looks fine to me. If you would like a hand to search the census if you post the persons name and age and I will see what I can find for you, I am using www.ancestry.co.uk I can email the document to you if I find what you are looking for, I have your email address from the email you sent me, I'm still working on that one. Hope this helps. (The info below is what is given at the bottom of the page for the 1841 UK census at www.ancestry.com. If you had mentioned a name or two, I could have looked them up for you, even though I don't live in the UK) About 1841 England Census This database contains an every name index to the 1841 England Census with links to images of the original census returns. Information available in this database includes: name, age, estimated birth year, relationship to head of household. For more information about this database, click here. The 1841 Census for England was taken on the night of 6 June 1841. The following information was requested: Name of street, place, road, etc. House number or name Name of each person that had spent the night in that household Age* Sex (indicated by which column the age is recorded in) Profession or occupation Where born** *The ages of people over 15 years old were usually rounded down to the nearest 5 years. Therefore, someone who was actually 24 years would have their age listed as 20, and someone who was actually 27 years old would have their age listed as 25. **The "Where Born" column only asked two questions - 1) whether born in same county, and 2) whether born in Scotland, Ireland, or Foreign Parts. Possible answers and abbreviations to question #1 include: Yes (Y), No, (N), or Not Known (NK). For question #2, the following abbreviations were used: Scotland (S), Ireland (I), and Foreign Parts (F). Enumeration forms were distributed to all households a couple of days before census night and the complete forms were collected the next day. All responses were to reflect the individual's status as of 6 June 1841 for all individuals who had spent the night in the house. People who were traveling or living abroad were enumerated at the location where they spent the night on census night. All of the details from the individual forms were later sorted and copied into enumerators' books, which are the records we can view images of today. The original householder's schedules from 1841 to 1901 were destroyed. The clerks who compiled and reviewed the census data made a variety of marks on the returns. Unfortunately, many of these tally marks were written over personal information and some fields, such as ages, can be difficult to read as a result. More useful marks include a single slash between households within a building and a double slash separating households in separate buildings. Color Images of Hard-to-Read Pages: A major problem with the 1841 census is that it was written in pencil rather than pen. This has resulted in many faded pages which have proved unreadable on microfilm. To rectify this problem Ancestry has gone back to the original census manuscripts at The National Archives (TNA) and digitised many of these hard-to-read pages. The result is hi-resolution color images with writing that is now more clearly visible. Pages digitised as color images were chosen from documents identified by TNA as damaged or as exceptionally difficult to read. The following is a list of piece numbers that include some color images: 5 227 303 309 349 549 695 827 1028 1096 1206 186 231 305 310 443 588 731 972 1029 1131 1209 187 232 307 323 500 609 820 998 1066 1134 1321 203 242 308 344 523 675 826 1003 1085 1186 1416 How the census forms are organized: For the 1841 census parishes were organized into hundreds (and into wapentakes in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire) rather than registration districts as in the later censuses. The 1841 census returns were organized alphabetically according to county, hundred, and parish names. Consecutive piece numbers were assigned to hundreds or parts of hundreds for reference purposes. You will find the piece number on a paper strip on the side or bottom of every image, following the PRO class number (HO 107). There may be hundreds of pieces within a county. Pieces are comprised of books which in turn are comprised of enumeration districts. It is the book number, rather than the enumeration district number that is important to researchers for referencing. The book number is shown on the paper strip on the side or bottom of every image following the piece number. In addition to the piece and book numbers, each page of the returns includes a folio number and/or a page number. The folio number was stamped onto every other page before microfilming and is located in the upper right hand corner of the image. Folio numbering usually starts over at the beginning of each book. The page number is part of the printed form and is found on every page, usually at the top centre. The page numbers start over at the beginning of every enumeration district. A full reference number for a record in the 1841 census includes the PRO class number (HO 107), the piece number, the book number, and the folio number. Some of the above information was taken from "Chapter 6: Census Returns," Ancestral Trails: The Complete Guide to British Genealogy and Family History by Mark D. Herber (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc, 1998) and Using Census Returns, Pocket Guides to Family History by David Annal (Richmond, Surrey: Public Record Office, 2002). Known problems with the 1841 Census: The following table shows piece numbers where part or all of the piece is missing, as well as piece numbers that were not used. Piece --County --Parishes and Hamlets 89 Cheshire Parish:Malpas (part) Townships: Agden Bickerton Bickley Bradley Broxton Bulkeley Chidlow Cholmondley Chorlton Cuddington Duckington Edge Egerton Hampton Larkton Macefen Malpas Newton-juxta-Malpas Oldcastle Overton Stockton Tushingham Wichaugh Wigland Parish: Shocklach Townships: Caldecott Church Shocklach Parish: Shocklach Township: Oviatt Shocklach Parish: Threapwood 192 Derbyshire Parish: Walton-upon-Trent 404 Southampshire Parish: Winnall 465 Kent Parish: Bishopsbourne 467 Kent Parish: Herne Bay 469 Kent Parish: Reculver 470 Kent Parish: Sturry Parish: Swalecliffe Parish: Westbere Parish: Seasalter Liberty Parish: Whitstable Township: Harwich 471 Kent Parish: Ashford (part) 475 Kent Parish: Smarden 668 Middlesex Parish: St Luke Townships: West Finsbury Golden-Lane Old Street Whitecross-Street 680 Middlesex Parish: Paddington 690 Middlesex Parish: Kensington (part) Townships: Brompton Kensall Green (part) 797 Northamptonshire Parish: Blatherwycke Parish: Bulwick Parish: Bulwick Short Leys Parish: Deene Township: Deenethorpe Parish: Great Weldon Township: Little Weldon 798 Northamptonshire Parish: Weedon-Beck 809 Northamptonshire Parish: Haselbeech 864 Piece number not used 890 Oxfordshire Parish: Yarnton or Yarington 942 Somerset Parish: Mells 1074 Surrey Parish: Walton-upon-Thames Hamlet: Hersham Parish: Weybridge 1075 Surrey Parish: Malden 1172 Wiltshire Parish: Hardenhuish 1174 Wiltshire Parish: Downton Townships: Charlton Church Downton East Downton Hamptworth Wick & Walton Witherington Parish: No-Man's Land 1176 Wiltshire Parish: Patney 1184 Wiltshire Parish: Bishop's Cannings Townships: Bourton & Easton Chittoe Coase Horton St James or Southbroom Parish: West or Bishop's Lavington Townships: Fiddington Littleton Pannell 1186 Wiltshire Parish: Allcannings Townships: Allington Etchilhampton Fullaway or Fullway Parish: Alton-Barnes Parish: Beeching-Stoke Parish: Churton or Cherrington Township: Conock Parish: East or Market Lavington Township: Easterton Parish: Marden Parish: St Bernard Stanton Parish: Urchfont or Erchfont Townships: Eastcott Lydeway Stert Wedhampton 1286 Yorkshire Wapentake: Claro (Lower Division) Parish: Ripon (part) Township: Bewerley Hamlet: Greenhow Hill (part) Wapentake: Claro (Lower Division) Parish: Ripon (part) Township: Dacre Hamlet: Hayshaw Please choose a county: To browse census images, click on a county link below. 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